Just how strong was initial Perfect Cell?

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Just how strong was initial Perfect Cell?
Tweet Topic Started: Jan 26 2012, 01:05 PM (4,321 Views)
+ Clearin	Jan 26 2012, 01:05 PM Post #1
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Okay so 50% MSSj Goku is apparently stronger than USSj Trunks based on Trunks' reaction which would automatically mean: 100% Goku > 50% Goku > USSj Trunks > Initial Perfect Cell Yet Korin, knowing it was only 50%, said Cell was still stronger despite it being less than even 24 hours since Cell was formed. So was Cell stronger than he let on to Trunks? Was Goku just not that strong? As a side question: Chapter: 391 (DBZ 197), P10.7 Context: after Goku displays his power to Karin Gohan: “…I wonder…Has father really become so incredible?...” Gohan calls Goku incredible here yet in the Cell games he acts like Goku's power was nothing. And why was Gohan so surprised at how "weak" Goku was in the Cell games if he already knew pretty much exactly how strong he was?



+ Pyrus	Jan 26 2012, 01:09 PM Post #2
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Cell was confident in tanking a highly amplified blast from Super Vegeta, probably the Big Bang Attack or Galick Gun, so he should at least be 2.5-3x stronger than him right off the bat IMO. I believe the power he was showcasing initially was just a fake Ki signal, which is kind of implied by Krillin when he tells Trunks that he knew Cell was holding back terrible power. I will NOT answer the second question!
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Kruegs Outlandish	Jan 26 2012, 01:21 PM Post #3
Posts: 2,526 Group: Duplicate Member #6,436 Joined: July 1, 2011	Power of Spirit and Time Room Cell 3 (At Vegeta) is, at most, barely over a third of Goku (SSJ, Cell Games). I'll answer the second question . Gohan's statement was based from power alone. He wasn't watching a fight or anything; aside from that, Gohan did not know what he, himself, was capable of. It was when Goku and Cell fought, and Gohan realized that he could actually keep up with their movement that Gohan wondered whether or not Goku and Cell were holding back power. Dramatization "Wow! Dad and Cell are really something else. Fighting at this strength, and they still have some to spare! But then why is everyone acting as if the battle is decided? Can everyone else really not see that their not done yet?"



+ Clearin	Jan 26 2012, 01:25 PM Post #4
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	bizness86 Jan 26 2012, 01:21 PM Power of Spirit and Time Room Cell 3 (At Vegeta) is, at most, barely over a third of Goku (SSJ, Cell Games). So why would Korin say Cell was stronger?



Kruegs Outlandish	Jan 26 2012, 01:26 PM Post #5
Posts: 2,526 Group: Duplicate Member #6,436 Joined: July 1, 2011	IIRC. Korin also said that Cell didn't show much to be judged on! Korin was estimating Cell's overall power. That's implied in the manga



+ Clearin	Jan 26 2012, 01:28 PM Post #6
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	bizness86 Jan 26 2012, 01:26 PM IIRC. Korin also said that Cell didn't show much to be judged on! Korin was estimating Cell's overall power. That's implied in the manga It just seems silly though to assume that Cell, who admitted Trunks was superior to him, was stronger than even 50% Goku. Unless Cell meant Trunks was stronger than his current, supressed power and not full power. Edited by Clearin, Jan 26 2012, 01:29 PM.



+ Rebel X	Jan 26 2012, 01:30 PM Post #7
Posts: 11,612 Group: Legend Member #88 Joined: January 16, 2005	The side question, If you do read all the hindered reactions of Gohan you'll see that Gohan himself doesn't believe how much his dad is holding back because at the end of the fight he does tell his dad that you two were just toying around whilst Goku admits he was giving it his all in the fight. Gohan himself didn't believe in his unlocked potential like his dad. I'ts his father, of course he's incredible t him. It's not a contradiction it's more of a realization of not understanding his own power yet. Initial Perfect Cell? I don't think their was a difference in the Perfect Cell when first transformed and the Perfect Cell after the 8 days of waiting. So I don't agree with this: "100% Goku > 50% Goku > USSj Trunks > Initial Perfect Cell" Perfect Cell was approx. equal to Goku 100% at MSSJ which is stronger than USSJ Trunks So the levels should be Initial Perfect Cell>MSSJ Goku>USSJTrunks I could be wrong because I haven't reviewed any of that saga in a while but I don't remember Cell every admitting in his Perfect form that Trunks was superior. He only explain how he was much like Super Vegeta in his efforts



+ Clearin	Jan 26 2012, 01:33 PM Post #8
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Rebel X Jan 26 2012, 01:30 PM but I don't remember Cell every admitting in his Perfect form that Trunks was superior. He only explain how he was much like Super Vegeta in his efforts Well I can at least provide you with the quotes in case you change your mind after seeing them: Chapter: 387 (DBZ 193), P1.3, P2.1-3 Trunks: “What you’re about to see now…is my true power!!!” Cell: “I see…It truly is magnificent power…You easily surpass me…But you can’t win against me like that…Absolutely not…” Chapter: 387 (DBZ 193), P3.5. Piccolo: “Absolutely incredible power! It’s even greater than Cell’s…! Un-unbelievable…!“



Kruegs Outlandish	Jan 26 2012, 01:33 PM Post #9
Posts: 2,526 Group: Duplicate Member #6,436 Joined: July 1, 2011	Teen GohanZ Jan 26 2012, 01:28 PM Unless Cell meant Trunks was stronger than his current, supressed power and not full power. that's what he meant. did you follow the link, or no?



+ Clearin	Jan 26 2012, 01:35 PM Post #10
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	bizness86 Jan 26 2012, 01:33 PM Teen GohanZ Jan 26 2012, 01:28 PM Unless Cell meant Trunks was stronger than his current, supressed power and not full power. that's what he meant. did you follow the link, or no? Yeah but I only read your summary tbh and saw no sign of you stating he was holding back lol. I'll go back and read the whole part with PC. Edit: I don't see the part where you imply Cell was suppressed tbh, You just say 50% Goku is > Initial Cell unless i missed something. Edited by Clearin, Jan 26 2012, 01:38 PM.



Kruegs Outlandish	Jan 26 2012, 01:42 PM Post #11
Posts: 2,526 Group: Duplicate Member #6,436 Joined: July 1, 2011	Initial Cell is suppressed. He doesn't power up, so he's not using power at all. What else is there to it? Goku (50%) is stronger than Trunks thru expression Trunks was stronger than what Cell was outing, thru admission. So Goku > Trunks > Cell Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Jan 26 2012, 01:46 PM.



+ Pyrus	Jan 26 2012, 01:45 PM Post #12
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I don't think Cell considered his entire full power when he said SSjinG3 Trunks surpassed him.
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+ Rebel X	Jan 26 2012, 01:46 PM Post #13
Posts: 11,612 Group: Legend Member #88 Joined: January 16, 2005	Teen GohanZ Jan 26 2012, 01:33 PM Rebel X Jan 26 2012, 01:30 PM but I don't remember Cell every admitting in his Perfect form that Trunks was superior. He only explain how he was much like Super Vegeta in his efforts Well I can at least provide you with the quotes in case you change your mind after seeing them: Chapter: 387 (DBZ 193), P1.3, P2.1-3 Trunks: “What you’re about to see now…is my true power!!!” Cell: “I see…It truly is magnificent power…You easily surpass me…But you can’t win against me like that…Absolutely not…” Chapter: 387 (DBZ 193), P3.5. Piccolo: “Absolutely incredible power! It’s even greater than Cell’s…! Un-unbelievable…!“ Oh yes, I remember. but that doesn't prove much of anything. I mean Cell never admits to defeat or says he's lost. He losses in strength because Ultra SSJ increases strength. Overall Trunks surpassed Vegeta but he slowed down. Which doesn't mean he was more powerful than Cell. As far as Piccolo's quote, It's a matter of perspective. He thought he was more powerful because Trunks only claimed to surpass his father. I used to think Trunks was more powerful as well and he might be but in the end clearly he's not overall better than Cell in a fight.



Kruegs Outlandish	Jan 26 2012, 01:47 PM Post #14
Posts: 2,526 Group: Duplicate Member #6,436 Joined: July 1, 2011	trunks power surpassed the power that cell was putting out at the time.



+ Pyrus	Jan 26 2012, 01:59 PM Post #15
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Quote: Oh yes, I remember. but that doesn't prove much of anything. I mean Cell never admits to defeat or says he's lost. He losses in strength because Ultra SSJ increases strength. Overall Trunks surpassed Vegeta but he slowed down. Which doesn't mean he was more powerful than Cell. Trunks' raw power surpassed the amount Cell was putting out at the time. That was the point. Quote: As far as Piccolo's quote, It's a matter of perspective. He thought he was more powerful because Trunks only claimed to surpass his father. I used to think Trunks was more powerful as well and he might be but in the end clearly he's not overall better than Cell in a fight. Piccolo couldn't hear Trunks say that. He couldn't even hear Son Goku say he was at 50% in Korin's place, so there's no way he would hear something from an even further distance.
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